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From: Troll Smasher  5/26/2006 6:20 pm 
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Has anyone had their account suspended?

Has anyone received any word from their host about a possible violation of terms?

OK then... It's an empty threat. They never mention that the source of the material in violation is Amazon.com, although they absolutely must know Amazon's API is the source. That's because their game, whatever it is, would be over at that point.

Don't be so easy.

Reply to their email "Do your worst, opportunistic parasite." and carry on, business as usual.



Edited 5/27/2006 2:42 am ET by Troll Smasher
 
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From: mikelepore  5/26/2006 9:36 pm 
To: Troll Smasher  (23 of 41) 
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Yes, some hosting companies have already suspended accounts because of this. Yes, it's an empty threat by Net Enforcers. Most hosting companies will suspend accounts right away in response to empty threats.

In court, innocent until proven guilty. In business, guilty until proven innocent.

 
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From: Troll Smasher  5/26/2006 11:56 pm 
To: mikelepore  (24 of 41) 
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Well, you've forced me to actually investigate it a little:

Their partners are marketplace software developers whom directly compete with Amazon for new marketplace-based businesses. Their strategy may be to undermine Amazon's marketplace and push marketplace-based businesses over to eBay.

And so, apparently, netenforcer's software bot is catching marketplace vendors who aren't actually approved by the manufacturer to distribute the merchandise they're selling in Amazon's marketplace. So, again, my guess is that the target is Amazon's marketplace.

Eliminating marketplace items in your ads should solve the problem for you, the Associate. But Amazon needs to be aware that, although netforcers is coming off as being the righteous protectors of everyone's property, the enemy is actually chipping away at their underbelly.

Probability that the helpful services of the righteous netforcers is actually meant to undermine Amazon's marketplace: 99.99%

 
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From: Troll Smasher  5/27/2006 12:08 am 
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See? I told you I would expose their creamy center. Ugly, isn't it?
 
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From: mikelepore  5/27/2006 1:05 am 
To: Troll Smasher  (26 of 41) 
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I didn't suspect that it had to do with just the marketplace sector, but I had a strong feeling these "enforcers" were only trying to reduce the number of their competitors in the sales business.
 
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From: Master Blaster  5/27/2006 1:11 am 
To: Associates Program  (27 of 41) 
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Now you know why Troll Smasher run Bartertown. Him destroy all pretty easy.
 
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From: Troll Smasher  5/27/2006 1:55 am 
To: mikelepore  (28 of 41) 
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...I had a strong feeling these "enforcers" were only trying to reduce the number of their competitors in the sales business.

Such a grand strategy doesn't really have much of a chance, does it?

No, they'll stick to the marketplace where they have the technology and strategic partnerships to compete:

http://www.netenforcers.com/partners.cfm

Seems to me they want marketplace-based businesses to pooh-pooh Amazon and opt for their proprietary software solutions or their extra-special eBay solution.

In the meantime, and in the short term, they benefit by showing their clients these massive numbers of violations they can accumulate by tapping Amazon's datafeed on all their (how many million?) Associate's pages.

The straightforward solution would be to clean up the marketplace program, right? But the actual solution may be to buy the companies who are applying all the pressure and absorb their technology. And, if that happens, does it mean that I inadvertantly uncovered a brilliant way to use a dumb bot to extort a large company and force them to buy my partner's companies while and I laugh all the way to the bank?

Wow. Nerds rule.



Edited 5/27/2006 4:25 am ET by Troll Smasher
 
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From: Troll Smasher  5/27/2006 11:34 pm 
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Courtesy of eWeek.com:

Hunting Down E-Commerce Bandits


The company (Net Enforcers) works with eBay, which is an easy place for a small fry to unload merchandise. But it's not as appealing to large operators because of the process involved. "They have to go through quite a process to keep changing handles," Cohen said.

Cohen is proud of the extensive nature of where his spiders look, going well beyond the typical Web sites into newsgroups, RSS feeds and IRC chat rooms. But they also post public messages deliberately trying to attract spam, and their software analyzes that as well. "We can get ripe spam on almost any topic," Cohen said.

After the software makes its report, it's up to human agents to evaluate the suspect sites and make a decision. If the site is considered worthy of investigation, the agents first check into the site—starting with a whois search and moving on to other databases—to make sure that it's not "an authorized dealer posing under another name" and to "see where servers are really located," Loomis said.

If all looks dark, the lawyers are then called in. The next step is that simultaneous letters go to the site operator and to their ISP. Initially, they used to give the site operators the option of fixing matters before the ISP was alerted, but they were too often ignored, Loomis said. "If they get a letter from us, they don't do anything about it. When they get a letter from their ISP, they know that their only choice is to follow our request or lose their Web site."

PointerIt sometimes takes threats to slow down fraud, as a group of Wal-Mart bar code replicators discovered when they were arrested. To find out more, click here.

It works most of the time, he said, but not always. "Some are ignorant, and they lose their Web site anyway," he said.

Net Enforcers also spends a lot of time trying to protect copyrights and trademarks. Its software, for example, also searches for unauthorized use of logos and stolen Web site pictures. Although it can't actually "see" the images, it looks for obvious file names, such as "jvc.gif" when looking for improper JVC images.

The company experimented with watermark protections of logos, but found it far too inaccurate, Loomis said.

Today, Net Enforcers limits its efforts to just U.S.-based sites. "Overseas is just a whole other world," he said.

 
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From: Troll Smasher  5/27/2006 11:59 pm 
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Note:

  1. They work with eBay. (Oh, you didn't know?) :D
  2. Simultaneous letters go to the site operator and to their ISP.

I'm starting to think they just want Amazon as a client, but hopefully more people will pick up on my extortion theory. Tee hee. :D

 
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From: mikelepore  5/28/2006 2:09 am 
To: Troll Smasher  (31 of 41) 
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Quote from article: Its software, for example, also searches for unauthorized use of logos and stolen Web site pictures. Although it can't actually "see" the images, it looks for obvious file names, such as "jvc.gif" when looking for improper JVC images.

We need to find out what server appears in the stats, so everyone here can block its access.

 

 
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